Trans identified men are celebrated when they win in women's sporting events and beauty pageants, trans identified women when they birth babies. It's almost like....men & women are different in some ways.
It’s so very patriarchal that once people claiming to be men start having babies the whole idea of sacrifices for the unborn goes out the window. It would be funny if it wasn’t so infuriatingly sad.
Just for the sake of historical accuracy, let's not forget that denigrating motherhood has been in vogue for the last 50+ years, as has abandoning the role (AND RESPONSIBILITY) of motherhood - including the sensible pair bonding that is essential to be able to BE a proper mother (AKA 'stay at home').
So treating motherhood as a 'life accessory' rather than a serious undertaking is nothing new. TERFs are relishing these kinds of stories because AT LAST they can point the finger at someone else and claim the moral high ground. All of a sudden 'womanhood' and 'motherhood' is sacred (because writing blogs critical of trans activists requires no effort or sacrifice), but feminism has been denigrating femininity and female responsibility for more than 100 years, and pushing transhumanism to replace it (under the banner of 'empowerment'). So it all feels a bit rich to me.
Having said that, I think maybe all this non-binary / gender queer stuff might be necessary to provoke a new renaissance of sexual dimorphism, where we all stop moaning about men/ women and learn to appreciate male / female biology and natural pair bonding, as the best possible configuration for a fun and healthy society. Nature always trumps any new technology in the end, even if we get temporarily seduced by it. Feminism itself was a celebration of new gender bending tech - not least the pill - which was the beginnings of endocrine disruption and technology assisted erasure of biology (AKA transhumanism).
'Patriarchy' is when you have a society which prioritises the comfort, safety, health and well being of women and children, with men providing resources, protection and the 'hard outer shell' - sacrificing their own comfort, wellbeing (and often their lives) in the process.
Getting rid of traditional gender roles (smashing the patriarchy) is the first step needed to create a transhuman / technocratic 'utopia'. So I guess the moral of the story is be careful what you wish for :)
I disagree with your statement: "(because writing blogs critical of trans activists requires no effort or sacrifice)", because to be critical of trans activism now can require a level of sacrifice that (unless you have the financial resources of someone like JK Rowling), most 'ordinary' people cannot cope with. I know many nurses, midwives and volunteer and paid breastfeeding advocates who need to keep their jobs to pay their mortgages and feed their children, so keep their beliefs in biology and human physiology to themselves, lest they offend some delusional/and or confused colleague or client.
It is possible in many cases to hew to reality subversively, and it is not always possible to shout that popular cult members are wrong.
Yes you are right, beyond a certain point it becomes dangerous to oppose the de-gendering of society. As an aside, this tells us the agenda comes from the tippy top, and that these transhuman-obsessed social engineers only 'care' about young people to the extent that they can use them as a human shield/ Trojan horse for their agendas.
I was talking more about the average 'coffee shop' TERF/ GC who has suddenly decided that female biology is sacred after all, and that women should now be defined by it, after spending decades biting the head off anyone who dares to define women that way.
This is why everyone is rolling their eyes at the TERFs. The idea that men and women are different and defined by their respective biology has been heresy for at least 50 years, and it was the feminists who accused anyone daring to point this out of being a misogynist (ie women-phobes) to shut down the conversation and assert moral dominance.
Nothing has really changed. It's just that feminism has moved the Overton window to the point where even feminists themselves are now starting to feel uneasy about their own push for a unisex, genderless, atomised population.
I believe even trans people (in the traditional sense) will soon be thrown off the rainbow bus for daring to align with one gender or the other, rather than embrace a NB/ gender queer status.
The people you mention (who need to keep their mouths shut to keep their jobs) are no different to all the past critics of feminism who also had to deny sexual dimorphism for the last half a century, to avoid also being fired, accused of misogyny and generally hung out to dry.
The only reason I call out feminists for this blind spot/ double standard, is that we can't help children and young people navigate this ideology unless we take it right back to the origin. That origin was feminism's original claim that gender (and being gendered) is inherently problematic, the root of all social ills, as well as personal discomfort and suffering. By defining gender as the problem, feminism set up humanity on a path to erase gender as the logical solution.
It's hard to imagine, but before feminism men and women valued and celebrated each other's traits and saw male and female as complimentary forces, rather than opposing forces engaged in a war of the sexes.
So while people like JKR can stir up drama, play the victim (on behalf of all women) and help to polarise the issue even more, she is doing nothing to actually get to the root issue, which is defining gender as inherently problematic ........ an invention of feminism. And as a feminist herself JKR is part of the problem. And blaming 'men' and 'the patriarchy' is only going to drive more young women into embracing a trans identity...... an escape from the horrors of being female (likewise for young boys and men, who are told they are the root of all social ills, the oppressors of women, and toxic, rapey, scum).
I wonder if my visceral feeling of repugnance at seeing pregnant women who’ve made themselves look like men is due to social (or maybe even terf) conditioning, or something more instinctive about the ‘wrongness’ of it?
Hurt the baby, but these women don’t care as long as they grow beards! Selfish and childish behavior on their part ! Another illustration of the insanity of our times!
The ultimate ‘having your cake and eating it’! I had a slice of pastrami when I was pregnant and worried about it for a week. It makes me feel so sad for these women and babies.
Testosterone also effects the urethra it causes incontinence so, it also thins the vaginal lining these women will probably end up having C sections or if they try and deliver they will end up tearing and in a lot pain. But I’m sure their midwife will be all over that. So, combined with continuing taking testosterone and the menopause which they will go through they will probably end up wearing nappies.
It’s a daily ritual to try and get your pelvic floor strong after child birth, and then as we know menopause just adds to the pressure when you sneeze and cough! I can’t see these women as anything but body dysmorphia.
I can’t understand this, only as a kind of mental illness. The sad thing is that this is treated as something to be taken as just another way of life! It isn’t! It’s a selfish way of life, not thinking of the poor baby!
Question, if these women think they are now men, truly believe they are men what’s with getting pregnant then? So, are these women saying there’s no biological sex? Because as we all know men can’t get pregnant, so getting pregnant just confirms that they are women ! So what’s with all the BS then. Surely it’s time for these people to receive a healthy dose of mental health treatment!!!
So glad you are saying this so clearly. The whole movement M & F seems to treat babies as objects to satisfy men impersonating women, who use surrogates to feed their fetish, or women impersonating men. They are fascinated with their own image.
Lucy, you said it best. “In my experience, the vast majority of women who are pregnant really want to safeguard their babies before they are born.” If the baby’s welfare is the priority, then ideologies that promote conflicting goals are harmful. Why is this simple truth so hard to understand?
Who is this Steve guy who wants to “ normalize “ this abnormal disgusting behavior? Why would you normalize something so completely abnormal? What is wrong with some people?
This is a SIN , and I am not really religious at all. Perhaps I should say this is criminal, which is what I really think.
These mentally ill women are poisoning their child so fuck them and their feelings. If you think you’re a seahorse, please take a 30 minute swim underwater like them.
Lucy the pictures really rally shocked me. it all seemd a bit theroetical before, but that this is acatually happening shook me. It does suggest the depth of the threat to women of whatis ahppening. I also appreciated your comments which helped calrify the situation.
Just a point: most individuals would discontinue testosterone in order to conceive and also during their pregnancy. The fetus is not placed in developmental danger when you are not administering testosterone. While you may have concerns for them or their offspring, effectively one must detransition to conceive/become pregnant. In terms of your concerns, how would you know about these instances if it weren't for them being made visible by such individuals who go public? Now, tell me why you are concerned for the offspring's safety and (even mental) health? Because you consider it to inflict something on the child? Do you also care about children unwanted by parents, abused, hit and so on? Believe me, routine and daily child abuse, family and domestic violence are rampant. Those are feminist concerns but I see no noise here about any of that. Where are you when national rallies need resourcing, shelters, support?
Yes, most "individuals" would discontinue T if they wanted to conceive or if they found they were pregnant. (Many do not seem to realize that testosterone on its own is not a reliable contraceptive.) But I find it alarming that that gender zealots are pushing the line that an adult's mental health should take precedence over the lifetime welfare of a new human being, who also has human rights that need to be factored into the larger equation. As I said in this post, "At least one professional who was interviewed said the quiet part out loud: “if you couldn’t deal without testosterone, then you probably shouldn’t be pregnant”."
And your query about "where are you" when children are abused by parents, etc. is no more than a red herring question. This was a post about one subject; to have gone into all of your other concerns I would have had to have written several books. I have actively supported my local women's refuge until the policy changed which meant it would also be supporting men in womanface. As I said here: https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/private-spaces, men are not women, even if they think they are.
It's no red herring. I have been involved in multiple spaces (e.g. what were you wearing marches and also survivor groups) and I see no people like yourself there. This reads like obsession, not concern.
What does someone concerned about the effects of testosterone on foetal development look like? How do you know that they aren’t present. Do you think sex realists have TERF tattooed on their foreheads?
Rachel, could you please share with us your sources when you say "most" individuals discontinue testosterone? It is interesting to me to hear more about this. What percentage is "most"? And if "some" don't, then I would love to hear why "some" do not mind to expose the baby to a potentially harmful substance. I don't mean to antagonize, I would genuinely want to learn more.
Also, I do not know if this will make you feel better about the author of this article, but I have known her for years and she actually is a social hero. I have known her to devote resources and countless volunteer hours to causes that promote the wellbeing of marginalized groups, including indigenous communities, people from different religious backgrounds, refugees, mothers from low income communities.
A body of knowledge supports the fact that breastfeeding improves a mother's and her baby's mental health. This research does not prove that the same is true for people other than the mother and her baby.
If these women have retained their breasts, which many have not, they place their infants at risk if they take testosterone during breast feeding. The same issue results when trans identified males insist on breast feeding their female partner’s infant, with the added risk of the drugs such men need to take to make their male breasts secrete fluid.
Research has shown that more than 30% of pregnancies experienced by trans identified females are unplanned and unrecognised until the second or even the third trimester because there is a widely mistaken belief among these women that taking testosterone is contraceptive/one can not conceive if not menstruating. So, in more than 30% of these pregnancies, the foetus is exposed to teratogenic levels of exogenous testosterone for weeks and often months. This is likely to cause genital abnormalities (ie. DSDs) in a female foetus and neurological abnormalities (e.g., autism) in a male foetus.
Trans identified men are celebrated when they win in women's sporting events and beauty pageants, trans identified women when they birth babies. It's almost like....men & women are different in some ways.
It’s so very patriarchal that once people claiming to be men start having babies the whole idea of sacrifices for the unborn goes out the window. It would be funny if it wasn’t so infuriatingly sad.
Just for the sake of historical accuracy, let's not forget that denigrating motherhood has been in vogue for the last 50+ years, as has abandoning the role (AND RESPONSIBILITY) of motherhood - including the sensible pair bonding that is essential to be able to BE a proper mother (AKA 'stay at home').
So treating motherhood as a 'life accessory' rather than a serious undertaking is nothing new. TERFs are relishing these kinds of stories because AT LAST they can point the finger at someone else and claim the moral high ground. All of a sudden 'womanhood' and 'motherhood' is sacred (because writing blogs critical of trans activists requires no effort or sacrifice), but feminism has been denigrating femininity and female responsibility for more than 100 years, and pushing transhumanism to replace it (under the banner of 'empowerment'). So it all feels a bit rich to me.
Having said that, I think maybe all this non-binary / gender queer stuff might be necessary to provoke a new renaissance of sexual dimorphism, where we all stop moaning about men/ women and learn to appreciate male / female biology and natural pair bonding, as the best possible configuration for a fun and healthy society. Nature always trumps any new technology in the end, even if we get temporarily seduced by it. Feminism itself was a celebration of new gender bending tech - not least the pill - which was the beginnings of endocrine disruption and technology assisted erasure of biology (AKA transhumanism).
'Patriarchy' is when you have a society which prioritises the comfort, safety, health and well being of women and children, with men providing resources, protection and the 'hard outer shell' - sacrificing their own comfort, wellbeing (and often their lives) in the process.
Getting rid of traditional gender roles (smashing the patriarchy) is the first step needed to create a transhuman / technocratic 'utopia'. So I guess the moral of the story is be careful what you wish for :)
I disagree with your statement: "(because writing blogs critical of trans activists requires no effort or sacrifice)", because to be critical of trans activism now can require a level of sacrifice that (unless you have the financial resources of someone like JK Rowling), most 'ordinary' people cannot cope with. I know many nurses, midwives and volunteer and paid breastfeeding advocates who need to keep their jobs to pay their mortgages and feed their children, so keep their beliefs in biology and human physiology to themselves, lest they offend some delusional/and or confused colleague or client.
It is possible in many cases to hew to reality subversively, and it is not always possible to shout that popular cult members are wrong.
Yes you are right, beyond a certain point it becomes dangerous to oppose the de-gendering of society. As an aside, this tells us the agenda comes from the tippy top, and that these transhuman-obsessed social engineers only 'care' about young people to the extent that they can use them as a human shield/ Trojan horse for their agendas.
I was talking more about the average 'coffee shop' TERF/ GC who has suddenly decided that female biology is sacred after all, and that women should now be defined by it, after spending decades biting the head off anyone who dares to define women that way.
This is why everyone is rolling their eyes at the TERFs. The idea that men and women are different and defined by their respective biology has been heresy for at least 50 years, and it was the feminists who accused anyone daring to point this out of being a misogynist (ie women-phobes) to shut down the conversation and assert moral dominance.
Nothing has really changed. It's just that feminism has moved the Overton window to the point where even feminists themselves are now starting to feel uneasy about their own push for a unisex, genderless, atomised population.
I believe even trans people (in the traditional sense) will soon be thrown off the rainbow bus for daring to align with one gender or the other, rather than embrace a NB/ gender queer status.
The people you mention (who need to keep their mouths shut to keep their jobs) are no different to all the past critics of feminism who also had to deny sexual dimorphism for the last half a century, to avoid also being fired, accused of misogyny and generally hung out to dry.
The only reason I call out feminists for this blind spot/ double standard, is that we can't help children and young people navigate this ideology unless we take it right back to the origin. That origin was feminism's original claim that gender (and being gendered) is inherently problematic, the root of all social ills, as well as personal discomfort and suffering. By defining gender as the problem, feminism set up humanity on a path to erase gender as the logical solution.
It's hard to imagine, but before feminism men and women valued and celebrated each other's traits and saw male and female as complimentary forces, rather than opposing forces engaged in a war of the sexes.
So while people like JKR can stir up drama, play the victim (on behalf of all women) and help to polarise the issue even more, she is doing nothing to actually get to the root issue, which is defining gender as inherently problematic ........ an invention of feminism. And as a feminist herself JKR is part of the problem. And blaming 'men' and 'the patriarchy' is only going to drive more young women into embracing a trans identity...... an escape from the horrors of being female (likewise for young boys and men, who are told they are the root of all social ills, the oppressors of women, and toxic, rapey, scum).
I wonder if my visceral feeling of repugnance at seeing pregnant women who’ve made themselves look like men is due to social (or maybe even terf) conditioning, or something more instinctive about the ‘wrongness’ of it?
It is always wrong to deny children a mother, however convoluted they try and make it.
It IS WRONG! And it probably will
Hurt the baby, but these women don’t care as long as they grow beards! Selfish and childish behavior on their part ! Another illustration of the insanity of our times!
How could this ever be "TERF conditioning"??? Are you nuts?
The ultimate ‘having your cake and eating it’! I had a slice of pastrami when I was pregnant and worried about it for a week. It makes me feel so sad for these women and babies.
Testosterone also effects the urethra it causes incontinence so, it also thins the vaginal lining these women will probably end up having C sections or if they try and deliver they will end up tearing and in a lot pain. But I’m sure their midwife will be all over that. So, combined with continuing taking testosterone and the menopause which they will go through they will probably end up wearing nappies.
It’s a daily ritual to try and get your pelvic floor strong after child birth, and then as we know menopause just adds to the pressure when you sneeze and cough! I can’t see these women as anything but body dysmorphia.
I can’t understand this, only as a kind of mental illness. The sad thing is that this is treated as something to be taken as just another way of life! It isn’t! It’s a selfish way of life, not thinking of the poor baby!
NONE of this shit considers that babies have their own human rights and agency.
Question, if these women think they are now men, truly believe they are men what’s with getting pregnant then? So, are these women saying there’s no biological sex? Because as we all know men can’t get pregnant, so getting pregnant just confirms that they are women ! So what’s with all the BS then. Surely it’s time for these people to receive a healthy dose of mental health treatment!!!
So glad you are saying this so clearly. The whole movement M & F seems to treat babies as objects to satisfy men impersonating women, who use surrogates to feed their fetish, or women impersonating men. They are fascinated with their own image.
Lucy, you said it best. “In my experience, the vast majority of women who are pregnant really want to safeguard their babies before they are born.” If the baby’s welfare is the priority, then ideologies that promote conflicting goals are harmful. Why is this simple truth so hard to understand?
Who is this Steve guy who wants to “ normalize “ this abnormal disgusting behavior? Why would you normalize something so completely abnormal? What is wrong with some people?
This is a SIN , and I am not really religious at all. Perhaps I should say this is criminal, which is what I really think.
I hate to bring you back to reality, nature and science but Men don't become pregnant.
Only women become pregnant including those pretending to be men‼️ ♀️♀️♀️
And it takes a man ♂️ and a woman ♀️ to concieve a human baby.
Seahorses are another situation
These mentally ill women are poisoning their child so fuck them and their feelings. If you think you’re a seahorse, please take a 30 minute swim underwater like them.
Lucy the pictures really rally shocked me. it all seemd a bit theroetical before, but that this is acatually happening shook me. It does suggest the depth of the threat to women of whatis ahppening. I also appreciated your comments which helped calrify the situation.
The only time people without a Y chromosome are allowed to center themselves!
The Right's Gender Scam: How They're Conning America with Fake Outrage
A grotesque theater of bathroom panic and pronoun hysteria, designed to keep you scared, distracted, and obedient—while they ignore the real problems.
https://open.substack.com/pub/patricemersault/p/moral-panic-for-dummies?r=4d7sow&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
Just a point: most individuals would discontinue testosterone in order to conceive and also during their pregnancy. The fetus is not placed in developmental danger when you are not administering testosterone. While you may have concerns for them or their offspring, effectively one must detransition to conceive/become pregnant. In terms of your concerns, how would you know about these instances if it weren't for them being made visible by such individuals who go public? Now, tell me why you are concerned for the offspring's safety and (even mental) health? Because you consider it to inflict something on the child? Do you also care about children unwanted by parents, abused, hit and so on? Believe me, routine and daily child abuse, family and domestic violence are rampant. Those are feminist concerns but I see no noise here about any of that. Where are you when national rallies need resourcing, shelters, support?
Yes, most "individuals" would discontinue T if they wanted to conceive or if they found they were pregnant. (Many do not seem to realize that testosterone on its own is not a reliable contraceptive.) But I find it alarming that that gender zealots are pushing the line that an adult's mental health should take precedence over the lifetime welfare of a new human being, who also has human rights that need to be factored into the larger equation. As I said in this post, "At least one professional who was interviewed said the quiet part out loud: “if you couldn’t deal without testosterone, then you probably shouldn’t be pregnant”."
And your query about "where are you" when children are abused by parents, etc. is no more than a red herring question. This was a post about one subject; to have gone into all of your other concerns I would have had to have written several books. I have actively supported my local women's refuge until the policy changed which meant it would also be supporting men in womanface. As I said here: https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/private-spaces, men are not women, even if they think they are.
It's no red herring. I have been involved in multiple spaces (e.g. what were you wearing marches and also survivor groups) and I see no people like yourself there. This reads like obsession, not concern.
What does someone concerned about the effects of testosterone on foetal development look like? How do you know that they aren’t present. Do you think sex realists have TERF tattooed on their foreheads?
Rachel, could you please share with us your sources when you say "most" individuals discontinue testosterone? It is interesting to me to hear more about this. What percentage is "most"? And if "some" don't, then I would love to hear why "some" do not mind to expose the baby to a potentially harmful substance. I don't mean to antagonize, I would genuinely want to learn more.
Also, I do not know if this will make you feel better about the author of this article, but I have known her for years and she actually is a social hero. I have known her to devote resources and countless volunteer hours to causes that promote the wellbeing of marginalized groups, including indigenous communities, people from different religious backgrounds, refugees, mothers from low income communities.
A body of knowledge supports the fact that breastfeeding improves a mother's and her baby's mental health. This research does not prove that the same is true for people other than the mother and her baby.
Yes‼️
We also care about abused children in family and domestic violence.
And YES many many of us also are Pro-Choice.
Perhaps you should go and gaslight elsewhere. It's not working too well here.♀️♂️
How do these women cope with the retansitioning after the birth?
If they so loath being a women how do they feel about the post partum period? How many and when do they goback to testosterone?
How many are concieved in their boady and many use IVF and etc to manage conception?
Many good questions here, but of course just to ask them renders us subject to being accused of "transphobia".
"LET IT BE‼️"
🔥
If these women have retained their breasts, which many have not, they place their infants at risk if they take testosterone during breast feeding. The same issue results when trans identified males insist on breast feeding their female partner’s infant, with the added risk of the drugs such men need to take to make their male breasts secrete fluid.
Research has shown that more than 30% of pregnancies experienced by trans identified females are unplanned and unrecognised until the second or even the third trimester because there is a widely mistaken belief among these women that taking testosterone is contraceptive/one can not conceive if not menstruating. So, in more than 30% of these pregnancies, the foetus is exposed to teratogenic levels of exogenous testosterone for weeks and often months. This is likely to cause genital abnormalities (ie. DSDs) in a female foetus and neurological abnormalities (e.g., autism) in a male foetus.