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Elizabeth Bateman's avatar

We talk so much about these girls and boys becoming so dissociated from their bodies that they seek surgery but it’s the doctors doing this that have become truly dissociated from reality.

What the f is going through the mind of a surgeon who does this??? How has a medical professional got to this and how are they permitted to do it? What is a surgeon thinking as he cuts off healthy breasts? How do they justify it? I don’t think I’ll ever get my head around this

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Elizabeth Bateman's avatar

In the US definitely, but surgeons in the UK and Europe who aren’t financially motivated have been doing this too. Hubris? Experimenting or ‘because it’s the protocol’? Which smacks of ‘I was just following orders….’

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

Read about the eunuch archives and WPATH. Many of the adults involved in pushing these procedures delight in causing harm to children and young people. Slicing off breasts: a feature of medieval paintings of female saint-torture. There are men who get off on this stuff and always have.

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PhDBiologistMom's avatar

But a number of the surgeons most infamous for the mastectomies (“top surgery”) are female, aren’t they? That horrible “yeet the teets” woman?

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

That is one example of a woman, yes. Have you others? I am willing to bet the population involved in these surgeries skews even more male than surgery does generally.

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PhDBiologistMom's avatar

It’s an interesting question and probably hard to answer — no idea how one would get those statistics.

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Elizabeth Bateman's avatar

It’s utterly perverse.

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Elizabeth Bateman's avatar

Horrifying, very very dark stuff. I’ve noticed though that people really don’t want to know about the really deviant aspects of this whole mess. They’re comfortable about the sports, women’s spaces and protecting children but when you mention the underlying perversions it’s fingers in ears time

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Felicia's avatar

Exactly people don't want to hear it or believe it. It's horrifying that professional people are pushing this ideology. This needs to be on mainstream news. Those crazy crack heads on the View need to hear this!

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Elizabeth Bateman's avatar

The medical profession has lost its way.

Have you come across this? Helen Joyce and Australian drs. She really doesn’t hold back on the harm medics have caused. It’s a long discussion but really worth the time

https://youtu.be/YpoUfkZIwHo?si=sqUm2lm4Yzfz0Rll

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LoullyAnn's avatar

Griffin’s story is tragic,sad and horrifying. I read those excerpts she wrote and saw that despite all evidence she so tenaciously clung to the idea that her life was going to be better all the while her body was destructing and she couldn’t do anything she enjoyed - I read the obituary too. What a lost life. 😥 It terrifies me that my confused and seduced daughter could find herself in a similar situation some day.

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Lucy Leader's avatar

This for me, is one of the saddest aspects of this whole ideology. That despite totally ruining her body, nothing made her feel any better about herself. During those years in her early 20s when her peers were entering the life of an adult through working, forming relationships, etc. this young woman died having done none of this as she was so preoccupied by her body and her unsolvable medical problems.

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Laurie Winogrand's avatar

There is a higher than average percentage of psychopathic and narcissistic personality types in the field of surgical medical specialties which helps explain this.: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29786022/ https://disruptedphysician.blog/2014/10/02/psychopathy-and-the-medical-profession/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4674404/

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Lucy Leader's avatar

I do think it is fair comment to observe the confusion that some doctors have about themselves and their importance. I guess when you have the power to both heal and to ruin the bodies and lives of others, it bolsters your sense of self-importance. That said, not all surgeons see a god when they look in the mirror.

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Elizabeth Bateman's avatar

This is fascinating. I was interested to listen to Dr Eitan Haim’s take on this (I can’t remember which podcast I’m afraid). He rebuts the psychopath surgeon theory but given how few surgeons have spoken out I was left wondering if he is the exception that proves the rule!

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Reese's avatar

It is widely believed across American Healthcare that surgeons are dicks. Most have very poor bedside manner as their patients are unconscious. We suspect they enjoy cutting into people.

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Lucy Leader's avatar

Yup follow the money and one place it will lead you to is this woman who delights in chopping off healthy breasts for profit: https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/08/18/pro-transgender-surgeon-flaunts-patients-amputated-breasts/

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Lida H.'s avatar

Utterly vile.

It has always struck me as so odd how the "trans community" treats those mained or killed by these brutal medical interventions and detransitioners alike like grimy chancres on it's underbelly. Wiped away and never mentioned except to malign and claim that they were "never truly trans".

Surely it would be more logically consistent or at least helpful for them to champion those harmed by the barbarism of the medical system on which they all depend until positive change has been achieved? IDK...

Thank you for writing about poor Griffin.

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eye&beam's avatar

“Trans” at its core is a self-focused narcissistic cult of the artificially constructed authentic individual. Any facts or lived experiences that don’t further the goal of continually revealing the inner self of the true trans identity are irrelevant and invisible to them, and must be savagely suppressed whenever they inconveniently intrude upon their carefully curated inner reality of unattainable, incoherent ideals.

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XxYwise's avatar

Remember Nyx? Neither do they.

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Bronwyn Winter's avatar

Thank you for writing about this. So many things about the genderist movement make me angry, but this medically sanctioned, quasi eugenic abuse of children and most especially girls is the worst. I can only hope that our political class one day will have the courage to admit it was wrong and to apologise to all those harmed by this ideology.

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Susan Doherty's avatar

So sad and so unnecessary. She spent the last 11 years of her life ,from age 13 , being experimented on by ghoulish medical "professionals" and now she's lost her life because of it !! She obviously suffered a huge amount of pain during that time and for what ? She was still female and could have had a happy life as a lesbian (maybe) but now she's gone . So heartbreaking . Makes me so angry with these " doctors " . If only she'd been given psychological help from a real therapist ,her suffering might've been avoided. These " professionals " should be in jail . This needs to STOP asap !! RIP ,Griffin x

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Terri Aqui's avatar

The doctors essentially tortured her to death.

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Discrete Music's avatar

Bububut they were just helping her to be *who she really was*

/s

Revive the guillotine for the gender-affirmers

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Reese's avatar

I say rather involve the community. Revive torches and pitchforks.

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Mothers Grim's avatar

Thanks for reporting on the woman's story. May she rest in peace while those that did this to her be held to account.

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

I want the doctors who did this to this tender young teen imprisoned for YEARS.

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Garwhoungle's avatar

Tragic. Thanks for the story.

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Discrete Music's avatar

Track down a photo of a “successful” phalloplasty. You might want to have one of those plastic-lined bags from an airliner seat handy.

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Lucy Leader's avatar

Yes. Some images you can never unsee. And don't forget to match that faux phallus with the huge scar on the arm or thigh of the woman who has found her "authenticity" in artifice.

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Viviane Morrigan's avatar

That scar is their medal of honour in the gender war. And just as sad as the medals ‘heroes’ get in nation state wars.

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John Robert's avatar

Same for vaginoplasty. A suggestion: a minor 𝐚𝐧𝐝 the parents/guardian accompanying the patient should be required to see photos of a "successful" procedure and told, in effect, "This is the best we offer."

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Reese's avatar

Footage of Marci Bowers telling Jazz Jennings "You could be a porn star!" for all the photos that she has taken of her "surgical site." Photos necessary to "plan the attack" for needed revision operations because to date, surgeons have, in laymans' terms, fucked it up.

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eye&beam's avatar

I have seen the elephant, and to my regret, I will never forget

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Milli Hill's avatar

This is horrendous. Are you listening to the new Julie Bindel podcast?

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Lucy Leader's avatar

It's on my to do list for today!

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Katrina Biggs's avatar

Grim reading - but thank you.

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Frederick Roth's avatar

Has it ever occurred to anyone following the gender ideology issue that these body horror stories are a direct real life analogy to the film Never Let Me Go?

SPOILER WARNING: In that film young people are basically bred just to be spare parts carriers for "real" humans and have organs removed one by one till they "complete" ie die. Watching these stories reminds me of that film so much I wonder whether I'm the only one who has noticed.

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Lucy Leader's avatar

"Gender ideology is grounded in faith, because it doesn’t have anything else going for it. There are no facts pointing towards humans having a “gendered soul” or any possibility that anyone has ever been born in the wrong body. Like those who believe in intelligent design, rather than in the theory of evolution, we are free to believe whatever we wish to believe.

What we are not free to do, is to cause harm to vulnerable people or to compel and coerce others to utilize a belief system they do not share or agree with. The WPATH (World Professional Association for Transgender Health) Standards of Care is not a modern-day holy book that supplies us with a path to a healthy and fulfilled life, it is a manual of self-harming strategies." https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/religion-cult-whatever

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Miranda's avatar

They are free to do it at the moment though. People do what they can get away with, whatever that is. Thank you for being part of the movement to stop them.

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eye&beam's avatar

Yes, it has

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Ruth Elkin's avatar

This practice isn't just fiction. Some trafficked children are profitable---for a time---for those who sell their organs.

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GadflyBytes's avatar

How many people are denied truly necessary life saving surgeries, while this mutilation is encouraged? It’s a waste of medical resources?

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eye&beam's avatar

It’s astounding when women struggle to get medically necessary breast reduction, and even so, aesthetics are extra.

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Jai Byrd's avatar

Thank You for posting this article.

🌿 This situation is not only sad but dangerous.

🔥I don't know if, in my lifetime, there will be truthful psychiatrist, psychologist and other Professionals of the Field that will study and come to an authentic conclusion as to how and why, younger generations in particular, are denying their natural born/biological sex and undergoing medicalization, socialization and surgicalization worse than the heaviest alcoholic or hardest heroin addicts.

I hope the Soul of the women finds answers and peace against her tormented soul in the afterlife🌿

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Mrip's avatar

I guess the therapist and surgeon are just going to get away with this girl’s death.

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eye&beam's avatar

Only God can judge them, but we can arrange the meeting.

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Reese's avatar

Hopefully they will sleep 😴 like babies.

Wake up every two hours, shit themselves and cry.

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Angela Mcnaughton's avatar

This heart breaking why did the people around her not try and fix her mental health at least until she was of age. 13 your so messed up with hormones her parents splitting up yet the folks around her thought it was okay to start her on puberty blockers. Such a sad story 😢

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T Averitt's avatar

Thank you, Lucy, for writing and sharing this devastating information. This is a sad reality. RIP Griffin Sivret.

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