As an infertile woman I cried at this. These girls have 0 idea in 10 or 20 years what loss they may feel. The pain in their bodies and the lack of motherhood they may one day crave. Not all but many. Again this is child abuse and medical malpractice at every level. Criminal.
And I often wonder what women who have lost a breast (or two) to cancer think of these girls who just throw their healthy breasts into the medical waste bin. And the criminality of doctors who say if they have regrets, they can go and get new ones.
This other vulnerable group of women without breasts - cancer survivors- was a big weight on my heart & mind which made me loathe all the big white breastfeeding charities who asked women cancer survivors to step aside and genuflect to trans-mastectomy self harm. Hell NO.
Millions upon millions of people were tortured, starved, and systematically murdered in the Holocaust. Please don’t use that historical atrocity as a metaphor. What’s happening with gender medicine is more like the notorious Tuskegee experiments or lobotomy.
If it had been made clear long ago that cosmetic operations on initially healthy body parts is medical malpractice (nose jobs, tits and ass jobs, etc.) and as such not permitted, we would not be in this fix now about "top" and "bottom" surgery. Likewise, giving people cross-sex hormones should have been clearly stated as medical malpractice. What will detransitioners have to do now to establish this? If doctors were not allowed to do this, confused kids would not be able to ask for it.
Brilliant explanation of the biological changes which take place during female puberty. ALL trained doctors know this ,so it's really hard to understand ,not only how these " gender doctors " get away with these " treatments" ,but how the rest of the medical profession ,especially the regulators ,have turned a blind eye to the very real harms being done to these vulnerable people. It's the biggest medical scandal we've ever heard of and how these medics keep their licenses is totally mystifying !! Well said ,Lucy x
Male womb envy - aka trans ideology - rushes girls into mastectomies and destruction of their healthy reproductive organs.
This will presumably lead to an increase in so-called surrogacy, where a mother and her baby are deliberately parted at birth so that other people can have the pleasure of pretending they are parents, based on a faulty male-serving idea of whose baby a mother has. These selfish people then bring up emotionally damaged children with massive attachment problems that they deliberately created.
One human rights abuse against women and children leading to another. I hope these fetishistic men and all who enabled them get their full rewards one day.
Why why why why why and why is it necessary in this day and age to have to re state the most basic facts of human experience, just in order to cancel out mentally ill people's messed up beliefs about why they are messed up?
Fuck I am so absolutely sick of this. Even when I was in the throws of my own gender confusion, I knew what reality was and that I was going against it. But now the transgender want to cancel reality to fit their lives?
I suspect that part of your "why" is because of the obscenely massive profits to be made from these harmful "treatments" that of course are also ongoing and never ending. Encouraging young people to jump on the gender woo express creates a revenue stream of income that is unparalleled for practitioners, not to mention the ego stroking opportunities available at the expense of bodies of these confused and delusional young people.
The global sex reassignment surgery market is expected to grow from $2.9 billion in 2022 to $6.26 billion by 2030, with a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 10.1%. The U.S. market is projected to grow to $5 billion by 2030, with a CAGR of 11.25% from 2023 to 2030.
I’m assuming it isn’t coded as plastic surgery. Bilateral orchidectomy is a treatment for different kinds of cancer, as is bilateral mastectomy. Total hysterectomy and oophorectomy (spelling may be off) is also the result of cancer; breast reconstructive, scrotum reconstructive, labial reconstructive may or may not be plastic surgery, doubtful.
I have never found these numbers convincing, heard them many times. L
Forbes claims the total cosmetic surgery market is $27B to a US population of 330M yet a market of 0.003% of the population x 10% having surgery is $5b or so is wildly out of proportion.
When the numbers are 100x what may be possibly expected proportionally something is quite wrong.
I don’t see 100k million people annually going through $5B in surgery and other clinical procedures.
The net patient revenue for a hospital in the US is $224M - that would imply that there is the equivalent of 22 hospitals in the US, 24 hours a day 7 days a week doing nothing but trans surgical procedures to hit the $5B target; or on average one hospital in each state full time doing morning to night nothing but trans surgery.
Really?
At an average of 130 beds per hospital, and $5B revenue implying 22 hospitals full time doing trans surgery, how long would it take to perform surgery on every single trans person in the US?
.003% of population x 10% electing for surgery = .0003% x 330,000,000 = ~100,000 people.
100,000 / 22 hospitals / 130 beds / hospital average means that after 35 days every single trans person who has ever wished or might wish for surgery is done. No more penises or breasts left. Assume the surgery takes a week. After 7 months every trans person is done. Assume there a follow-up surgery.
After little more than a year every trans person in the US has had complete sterilization and follow-up surgery in the US.
The $5B market collapses after 14 months to perhaps 3% of the original size since all that’s left to exploit is 0.003% x 10% x 11,000,000 high school graduates who may elect for surgery.
And I’m probably over-estimating numbers of people. The numbers just don’t work.
had to burst out laughing. You’ve found a research scam system.
There are at least 3-4 “research” sites which offer identical information which I found in 5 minutes. I’ve gotten connected to similar sites in the past by accident. They are run with web-scraping teams in India as far as I can tell.
It is one of multiple sites which offer, astonishingly, exactly the same 89 pages. Identical structure. Similar callouts.
Again, the entire market for all plastic surgery for all adults in the US - quite lucrative - is optimistically estimated by Forbes as $27B
That’s supported by around 10,000 businesses in plastic surgery. (Ibisworld, 50 years old research company)
According to reports from NIH there are only 71 trans practices in the US .
I’m to believe that trans is a $2b business today rising in 8y to $5b; that it will be 20% the size of today’s entire $27B plastic surgery market with only 0.71% of the practice support, and importantly only 0.03% of the client base? What do people think removing testicles or breasts cost? Try $5k - $10k - these are outpatient procedures folks . NIH quotes $2,200. Bilateral mastectomy is less than $10k
If every single trans person (roughly 1.3m according to the wildly optimistic Williams institute) - every single one - tomorrow had bilateral orchiectomy or bilateral mastectomy - all of them, 100% the total intake the total revenue would be perhaps $5B
The year following the revenue drops to $165m
Fewer than 10% of trans adults elect for any medical treatment. That means if every single trans person who would opt for surgery did so tomorrow, the revenue would be about $500m. The following year the revenue might be $16m
That’s not how you get to $5B in 8 years.
I was asked to run a business research company about 20 years ago, which I did - CTO (research director) as well as CEO. You get used to seeing numbers which don’t instantly add up in your head, so either I can’t do math in my head (doubtful) or the numbers are fake (realistic).
As I said, the numbers don’t add up, and I’ll be bold in saying the “research” comes from (multiple) unproven companies which most resemble Internet scam engines.
I can go on but as I said, the numbers don’t add up - not even close.
I really appreciate your comments about this and would be the first to admit that complex numbers are not my thing. At the same time, I'm not sure that the exact figures are the most important factor here. For me, more important than accuracy in predicting future earnings are what this money represents.
It is not being spent on quality research to save lives or optimizing the health of people, but on the opposite. It is being spent on deliberately causing harms to individuals and to our wider societies in a manner that guarantees continuous, lifelong dependency on more and more iatrogenic medical interventions. It reminds me of how compound interest works; the more you save the more you earn, but for these procedures, the more you have the more you need (to fix the damages already caused).
While women are dying every day from preventable causes like bleeding after birth, or breast cancer found too late, corporations are coining it hand over fist by supporting body mutilating practices that don't fix the real problems.
That said, once again thank you for your input here.
Thank you for your insights. Could you please help me find more accurate data? Also, I'm not sure of reassignment surgery is coded under plastic surgery codes so that may impact the numbers.
“Appearance medicine” is an excellent phrase, though I quibble with using the word medicine. These gender surgeons are not doing medicine that seeks to heal by doing “no harm.” They are more like aestheticians who wax off unwanted body hair, just with fancier tools.
Your title quotes a detransitioner expressing grief for what was done to her body: “There was no neuroscience to change my mind, so I had to edit my body.” Tragically, there was good neuroscience to help her. “The Body Keeps Score” is just one popular book explaining the neuroscience of chronic trauma, the brain changes that result from trauma, and ways to heal the traumatized body/brain/mind.
O
The principles of neuroplasticity underpin Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, Marsha Linehan’s psychosocial treatment for people with Borderline Personalty Disorder, an extremely difficult and agonizing psychopathology. DBT has proven effective for people with BPD and is now applied to other mental health conditions as well.
Prisha Mosley and other young people in anguish about their bodies should be given intensive DBT well before anyone proposes to destroy their endocrine system. Responsible medicine always uses the least invasive option first. That principle has been thrown away for these patients. It’s a tragedy, a crime, and a travesty.
Lucy, how sad these facts you expose. How confusing when our “health professionals” are there to sell harmful drugs instead of actually helping us navigate the ‘pros’ and cons of cosmetic interventions.
As an infertile woman I cried at this. These girls have 0 idea in 10 or 20 years what loss they may feel. The pain in their bodies and the lack of motherhood they may one day crave. Not all but many. Again this is child abuse and medical malpractice at every level. Criminal.
And I often wonder what women who have lost a breast (or two) to cancer think of these girls who just throw their healthy breasts into the medical waste bin. And the criminality of doctors who say if they have regrets, they can go and get new ones.
This other vulnerable group of women without breasts - cancer survivors- was a big weight on my heart & mind which made me loathe all the big white breastfeeding charities who asked women cancer survivors to step aside and genuflect to trans-mastectomy self harm. Hell NO.
The horror of it all! Lots of Mengeles out there
Criminal doesn’t even begin to describe it! It’s like the Holocaust.
Millions upon millions of people were tortured, starved, and systematically murdered in the Holocaust. Please don’t use that historical atrocity as a metaphor. What’s happening with gender medicine is more like the notorious Tuskegee experiments or lobotomy.
Grim reading indeed about what continuous use of artificial testosterone does to a woman's body.
If it had been made clear long ago that cosmetic operations on initially healthy body parts is medical malpractice (nose jobs, tits and ass jobs, etc.) and as such not permitted, we would not be in this fix now about "top" and "bottom" surgery. Likewise, giving people cross-sex hormones should have been clearly stated as medical malpractice. What will detransitioners have to do now to establish this? If doctors were not allowed to do this, confused kids would not be able to ask for it.
Such important work you are doing, Lucy. All power to you!
Brilliant explanation of the biological changes which take place during female puberty. ALL trained doctors know this ,so it's really hard to understand ,not only how these " gender doctors " get away with these " treatments" ,but how the rest of the medical profession ,especially the regulators ,have turned a blind eye to the very real harms being done to these vulnerable people. It's the biggest medical scandal we've ever heard of and how these medics keep their licenses is totally mystifying !! Well said ,Lucy x
Male womb envy - aka trans ideology - rushes girls into mastectomies and destruction of their healthy reproductive organs.
This will presumably lead to an increase in so-called surrogacy, where a mother and her baby are deliberately parted at birth so that other people can have the pleasure of pretending they are parents, based on a faulty male-serving idea of whose baby a mother has. These selfish people then bring up emotionally damaged children with massive attachment problems that they deliberately created.
One human rights abuse against women and children leading to another. I hope these fetishistic men and all who enabled them get their full rewards one day.
Victims of the machine mind virus. 😢
Why why why why why and why is it necessary in this day and age to have to re state the most basic facts of human experience, just in order to cancel out mentally ill people's messed up beliefs about why they are messed up?
Fuck I am so absolutely sick of this. Even when I was in the throws of my own gender confusion, I knew what reality was and that I was going against it. But now the transgender want to cancel reality to fit their lives?
why why why why why?????????????????????
I suspect that part of your "why" is because of the obscenely massive profits to be made from these harmful "treatments" that of course are also ongoing and never ending. Encouraging young people to jump on the gender woo express creates a revenue stream of income that is unparalleled for practitioners, not to mention the ego stroking opportunities available at the expense of bodies of these confused and delusional young people.
The global sex reassignment surgery market is expected to grow from $2.9 billion in 2022 to $6.26 billion by 2030, with a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 10.1%. The U.S. market is projected to grow to $5 billion by 2030, with a CAGR of 11.25% from 2023 to 2030.
I’m assuming it isn’t coded as plastic surgery. Bilateral orchidectomy is a treatment for different kinds of cancer, as is bilateral mastectomy. Total hysterectomy and oophorectomy (spelling may be off) is also the result of cancer; breast reconstructive, scrotum reconstructive, labial reconstructive may or may not be plastic surgery, doubtful.
$27B is spent on plastic surgery
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshwilson/2023/01/18/cosmetic-surgery-is-on-the-rise-with-technology-and-hollywood-is-at-the-centre-of-it/
Think of it as a supply chain. You have to have a factory, raw materials, customers, technicians.
330,000,000 us population x 0.03% = 1M adult trans
Lower than Williams which is overestimated
That sets a baseline.
10% of trans get médicalised
So of roughly 1.000.000 adult trans only 100k medicalize.
Assume they all get a 5k surgery then you have 500,000,000.thats it for
Looking at NIH you can get numberdjmf
I have never found these numbers convincing, heard them many times. L
Forbes claims the total cosmetic surgery market is $27B to a US population of 330M yet a market of 0.003% of the population x 10% having surgery is $5b or so is wildly out of proportion.
When the numbers are 100x what may be possibly expected proportionally something is quite wrong.
I don’t see 100k million people annually going through $5B in surgery and other clinical procedures.
The net patient revenue for a hospital in the US is $224M - that would imply that there is the equivalent of 22 hospitals in the US, 24 hours a day 7 days a week doing nothing but trans surgical procedures to hit the $5B target; or on average one hospital in each state full time doing morning to night nothing but trans surgery.
Really?
At an average of 130 beds per hospital, and $5B revenue implying 22 hospitals full time doing trans surgery, how long would it take to perform surgery on every single trans person in the US?
.003% of population x 10% electing for surgery = .0003% x 330,000,000 = ~100,000 people.
100,000 / 22 hospitals / 130 beds / hospital average means that after 35 days every single trans person who has ever wished or might wish for surgery is done. No more penises or breasts left. Assume the surgery takes a week. After 7 months every trans person is done. Assume there a follow-up surgery.
After little more than a year every trans person in the US has had complete sterilization and follow-up surgery in the US.
The $5B market collapses after 14 months to perhaps 3% of the original size since all that’s left to exploit is 0.003% x 10% x 11,000,000 high school graduates who may elect for surgery.
And I’m probably over-estimating numbers of people. The numbers just don’t work.
Its probably more of a $27M annual industry.
Hi, the link below should take you to the report and the methodologies used. https://www.researchandmarkets.com/report/united-states-transgender-surgery-market#:~:text=The%20U.%20S.%20sex%20reassignment%20surgery,market%20over%20the%20forecast%20period.
had to burst out laughing. You’ve found a research scam system.
There are at least 3-4 “research” sites which offer identical information which I found in 5 minutes. I’ve gotten connected to similar sites in the past by accident. They are run with web-scraping teams in India as far as I can tell.
Take a look at
https://www.grandviewresearch.com/press-release/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market-analysis
It is one of multiple sites which offer, astonishingly, exactly the same 89 pages. Identical structure. Similar callouts.
Again, the entire market for all plastic surgery for all adults in the US - quite lucrative - is optimistically estimated by Forbes as $27B
That’s supported by around 10,000 businesses in plastic surgery. (Ibisworld, 50 years old research company)
According to reports from NIH there are only 71 trans practices in the US .
I’m to believe that trans is a $2b business today rising in 8y to $5b; that it will be 20% the size of today’s entire $27B plastic surgery market with only 0.71% of the practice support, and importantly only 0.03% of the client base? What do people think removing testicles or breasts cost? Try $5k - $10k - these are outpatient procedures folks . NIH quotes $2,200. Bilateral mastectomy is less than $10k
If every single trans person (roughly 1.3m according to the wildly optimistic Williams institute) - every single one - tomorrow had bilateral orchiectomy or bilateral mastectomy - all of them, 100% the total intake the total revenue would be perhaps $5B
The year following the revenue drops to $165m
Fewer than 10% of trans adults elect for any medical treatment. That means if every single trans person who would opt for surgery did so tomorrow, the revenue would be about $500m. The following year the revenue might be $16m
That’s not how you get to $5B in 8 years.
I was asked to run a business research company about 20 years ago, which I did - CTO (research director) as well as CEO. You get used to seeing numbers which don’t instantly add up in your head, so either I can’t do math in my head (doubtful) or the numbers are fake (realistic).
As I said, the numbers don’t add up, and I’ll be bold in saying the “research” comes from (multiple) unproven companies which most resemble Internet scam engines.
I can go on but as I said, the numbers don’t add up - not even close.
I really appreciate your comments about this and would be the first to admit that complex numbers are not my thing. At the same time, I'm not sure that the exact figures are the most important factor here. For me, more important than accuracy in predicting future earnings are what this money represents.
It is not being spent on quality research to save lives or optimizing the health of people, but on the opposite. It is being spent on deliberately causing harms to individuals and to our wider societies in a manner that guarantees continuous, lifelong dependency on more and more iatrogenic medical interventions. It reminds me of how compound interest works; the more you save the more you earn, but for these procedures, the more you have the more you need (to fix the damages already caused).
While women are dying every day from preventable causes like bleeding after birth, or breast cancer found too late, corporations are coining it hand over fist by supporting body mutilating practices that don't fix the real problems.
That said, once again thank you for your input here.
Thank you for your insights. Could you please help me find more accurate data? Also, I'm not sure of reassignment surgery is coded under plastic surgery codes so that may impact the numbers.
“Appearance medicine” is an excellent phrase, though I quibble with using the word medicine. These gender surgeons are not doing medicine that seeks to heal by doing “no harm.” They are more like aestheticians who wax off unwanted body hair, just with fancier tools.
Your title quotes a detransitioner expressing grief for what was done to her body: “There was no neuroscience to change my mind, so I had to edit my body.” Tragically, there was good neuroscience to help her. “The Body Keeps Score” is just one popular book explaining the neuroscience of chronic trauma, the brain changes that result from trauma, and ways to heal the traumatized body/brain/mind.
O
The principles of neuroplasticity underpin Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, Marsha Linehan’s psychosocial treatment for people with Borderline Personalty Disorder, an extremely difficult and agonizing psychopathology. DBT has proven effective for people with BPD and is now applied to other mental health conditions as well.
Prisha Mosley and other young people in anguish about their bodies should be given intensive DBT well before anyone proposes to destroy their endocrine system. Responsible medicine always uses the least invasive option first. That principle has been thrown away for these patients. It’s a tragedy, a crime, and a travesty.
Lucy, how sad these facts you expose. How confusing when our “health professionals” are there to sell harmful drugs instead of actually helping us navigate the ‘pros’ and cons of cosmetic interventions.